Democracy, Ancient and Modern

The ‘American’ democracy we have today came from the juvenile form of democracy Athens ran with over 2500 years ago. This early democracy was experimental at best and was revolutionary at the time. While we have virtually rewritten the standard for how a democracy should be operated, we are not very far from our roots.

At first glance, the democracies of today and the ancient democracy of Athens look different. Ancient Athens only allowed a very small group of men resident in Athens the vote; women and foreigners were excluded. Athens’ democracy also demanded a lot of time from its citizens. Adult male citizens who had to vote put a halt to their work to travel to the Athenian assembly (the Pnyx) on a regular basis. These commonwealth citizens also had to debate and vote on important issues like going to war. This dedication of so much time to the democratic system was made easier when the Assembly eventually decided to encourage citizens further by paying them to come to the assembly and to undertake other democratic duties like acting as jurors in the law courts.

It is clear that Athenian democracy was not our modern idea of equal freedom and rights, but more like a select club, facilitated to some extent by a slave population. However, we should not be too complacent as to think that we are more ‘democratic’ now, just because of our progress in equal rights. Just as we may not want to recognize Athens’ democracy as properly democratic, so too an ancient Athenian would not recognize the ‘American’ democracy as a true democracy.

Ancient Athenians participated in a direct democracy, meaning every citizen went to the assembly and voted on the issues. Moreover, if they were voting on whether or not to go to war, the voters did not go home afterwards to put their feet up while the army went off to fight, they went home to pick up their armor too. To a democrat of ancient Athens, today’s democracies, where the majority of voters elect representatives to make most of the decisions for them (and who then rely on professionals to carry out those decisions), would seem to achieve the effect that the Old Oligarch spoke of in his letter. “For if the good men were to speak and make policy, it would be splendid for the likes of themselves but not so for the men of the people” (Oligarch). The American democracy operates just so, however, and only because the power still comes from the people.

With these further considerations, the ancient democracy more closely resembles the democracies of today, yet with all the improvements we have made to the ancient system, our modern efficiency trumps all.

 

Works Cited:

https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-greece/ancient-greece-democracy

https://www.historyextra.com/period/ancient-greece/ancient-greek-democracy-as-similar-to-ours-as-we-think/

Old Oligarch, Xenophon

Athenian Democracy v. Representative Democracy

Athenian democracy system is different from our representative democracy, but it has significant similarities that cannot be ignored. Just like the founding fathers wrote the constitution to protect the freedom of Americans, Athenians were very concerned with the freedom of the individual of the citizens of Athens.  During the colonial era, the British did not respect the privacy and freedom of American citizens and Thomas Jefferson wrote the bills of rights, a formal document informing the British colonists that we are aware of our alienated rights and we were willing to go to any measures to enjoy our freedom as citizens. Similarly, Athenians sought freedom for every citizens, and prohibited slavery. Solon freed enslaved debtors by cancelling all of their debts and he forbid any future enslavement of debtors.

In addition, Athens prevented the lower class from being dominated by the elite class. Any Athenian citizen was allowed to represent himself in court and not have a representative from the elite class. Athens made it so that citizens from a lower class did not have to depend on someone from a higher class. Also, if a person elects to have a representative in court, many laws were set in place in order to ensure that the representative was not trying to manipulate the client. For example, if a wealthy person is going against someone that is much poorer, Athenians create a system to allow them to be on the same playing field. They ensure that the rich person is not bribing any other members of the court. “There was another safeguarad against elite manipulation – the suspicion of the jury itself. The jurors were wary of the rhetorical smoke-and-mirror tactics of deceptive speakers, especially when directed against private citizens” (Alwine 2016). Just like our judicial system, every party going into the courtroom has the same rights, regardless of social status. In our society, if a lawyer cannot be afforded, one is provided in order to make up for the unfair advantage that comes with the lack of knowledge and experience in the court system.

Furthermore, the votes of each social class mattered for Athenians. Decisions that affect the government of Athens happen during assemblies, and every attendants of these assemblies were encouraged to continue attending with a guaranteed pay. While everyone was being paid, regardless of social class, the pay played a huge role for the lower class because they give up multiple days of work to attend these assemblies, which can lead to a financial challenge. While America does not pay its citizens to vote, every citizen is encouraged to do so, and also to take part of important discussions that influence the decisions of American citizens.

Citation :

Alwine, Andrew T. (2016). “Freedom and Patronage in the Athenian Democracy”. The Journal of Hellenic studies (0075-4269), 136

Who can lead?

The Athenian democracy, created by Pericles during his time as leader of Athens, was based on the idea that it is the job of the government to carry out the will of the people. The American government was founded in a similar manner, to be “by the People, for the people”. Both of these governments were created to represent the citizens; but the Americans decided the mob, for many reasons, could not be trusted to make informed decisions. The Americans realized direct democracy was messy, ill-informed, and fickle. Representative democracy, while it has its faults, is the more critical and adept form of government.

The power in a direct democracy lies in the idea that if more people contribute to a system the stronger it will become. Everyone weighs in on every issue, and everyone has a say in everything. This collaboration works if everyone knows exactly what they are talking about. A group of farmers could make a great process for plowing a field, and a group of builders could make a house in great time. But if you took these two groups of people and tell them to input ideas for war plans, one would have a terrible army run by incompetent people. Say we do have a veteran who has fought his whole life, he is only 1 person, so his 1 vote is lost among the sea of farmers and builders. The problem with the direct democracy is that those who are ill-informed are given the same rights as those who know what is best. An example of the ignorance shown in direct democracy is the aftermath of the Battle of Arginusae, in which 6 generals were killed because of their inability to rescue survivors from the battle. The emotional response from an assembly that did not understand the gravity of their situation led to a shortage of leadership in the Athenian Navy.

Leadership in government should be for those who have the knowledge and understanding to make the difficult and usually the unpopular choice. Throughout the country almost everyone is against new taxes, but taxes are a necessary part of the government even though they are wildly unpopular. Taxes do the things for the country that need to be done, things such as roads, schools, and hospitals. Taxes provide for things that everyone needs but seem too short sighted to want to pay for themselves. It takes our elected leaders to realize that important things need more funding and therefore must increase taxes. The people who lead a government should not have other commitments and jobs. The most effective government is one where it is the job of elected leaders to learn about the laws that affect their constituents, to make the informed decisions.

A Comparison of Democracy

When comparing a democracy of the past to today’s society it is easy to pick out where things are different and how the many changes and assets of our democracy create for a more optimal government.  Whether it is in the three branches of government or the representation process of congress, the distinctions are clear.  I believe it to be more important to look for the similarities in the two democracies and find out what aspects of our government evolved from that of Athens.  These similarities also go to show the advancement and forward thinking Athenians possessed in their bold venture of democracy.  I think that the most significant similarity between American and Athenian democracies is the presence of a small “executive committee” called the boule which decided the topics which would be discussed in the assemblies.  This similarity is incredibly important as it proves that there was some order to the Athenian assembly which allowed the democracy to perform as a structured unit.

While their respective voting systems are different on a variety of issues, the fact that a small committee presents general proposals and decisions proves the early forming of a congress or higher congregation used to create an agenda in the democracy. According to an encyclopedia on ancient history, the boule’s represented all the districts under the Athenian democracy with individuals serving yearlong terms while limited to two non-consecutive years.  In the American democracy of today, politicians are limited to two year terms when serving in the House of Representatives and six year terms when serving in the senate.  By applying these limits to the small committee of agenda makers, it ensures not only that new ideas are constantly flowing but, also that the assembly does not get over concentrated with similar arguments each session. In a “pure democracy,” such as the one in Athens, it is crucial that this executive committee be active as without such presiders the assembly has potential for a major downfall.  An example of how the Athenian boule and assembly created major influence in their democracy was the initial passing and later vetoing of metics who have earned merit being allowed to become citizens.  If the electorates of the boule had not brought this case back to the assembly, it likely would have gone through for good. Similarly, in the congress of today, there are numerous congressional sessions and arguments before a final vote is decided.  An example of this is the debate and legislation of minimum wage.  While federally it has been in place since 2009, minimum wage is renegotiated in state congresses and has changed as recently as this year in Minnesota.

In conclusion, without an “executive committee” to preside over a congregation such as an Athenian assembly or the American government, governments would not be able to create a variety of ideas and ensure that the right decision is made or is discussed to the right end.

 

 

Works Cited:

 

Cartwright, Mark. “Athenian Democracy.” Ancient History Encyclopedia, Ancient History Encyclopedia, 1 Oct. 2018, www.ancient.eu/Athenian_Democracy/.

“Minimum Wage Laws.” United States Department of Labor, http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm#stateDetails.

Representative Democracy vs. Athenian (Direct) Democracy

In today’s politics, representation gives people a government that does not run under a mob-like rule. The founding fathers found it necessary to avoid a government that was governed by the elite, so that all people, regardless of race, gender, or social status, would eventually be heard equally. The representative democracy model provides the best balance in government.

In the Athenian democracy, the majority rule and do not permit the minorities, such as metics, women, and slaves, to vote. Even though discrimination and oppression is a reality in the present, representative democracies provide the minorities with the security of their fundamental rights. Under a representative model like the U.S. government, minorities have a better chance to be heard and represented fairly.

In a representative government, elected officials are chosen to represent the values and opinions of a group of people. The politicians are well educated in law and policy (foreign and domestic), and often seek out the guidance of other well-educated individuals when debating political issues. When discussing new proposals, they use ample time to review the pros and cons of the proposed law and make decisions based on the overall interest of the state. In the Athenian model, the greed and selfishness of the assembly led to a juror payment system. The failed system eventually led to people receiving payments for attending festivals. The system left Athens’ economy in ruins, thus resulting in little money to support its military forces.

Politicians make the decisions on foreign policy. In Athenian democracy, laws and foreign policy (e.g., treaties and alliances) were unstable because of public persuasion. One example is the shifting alliances between Athens and Sparta. The general population, who are usually less educated and easily manipulated, do not offer stability in the decisions made in government. Representative democracies provide more stable foreign policy and laws.

Overall, the U.S. representative democracy is more efficient than the Athenian democracy model. It provides equal representation of minorities, prevention of full elite control, and educated decisions on foreign policy and state laws.

Representative vs Direct Democracy

Philip Dalke

The United States was created on the idea of democracy and equal representation. The Founding Fathers used the basic democratic ideas from Ancient Athenians and adapted them to fit the needs of the new country. Although there are still problems with representative democracy, I believe it is the best form of democracy for the United States.

The concept of the representative democracy should be perfect. It allows for every citizen to get a say in their government while keeping the process moving quickly. It can be used at the municipal level all the way up to the national level, allowing for federalism to work. But, this form of government only works when the elected officials correctly represent their people. Throughout the history of the United States, representative democracy has failed to serve its purpose on many occasions. One example of this is seen with our Presidents. Since the founding of the country, five Presidents have been elected despite losing the popular vote. This goes against the fundamental theory of representative democracy. The representatives are supposed to vote based on their people, so the popular vote should match the election results, but instead the representatives follow a majority rules policy in many states. Now, I understand that members of the electoral college are not necessarily voted into place, but they still are serving the same government. Another example of where representative democracy has failed is with the domination of the two major parties in the present day. Citizens are forced to vote for people they do not completely agree with because the other candidates provides even less benefits. It is a lesser of two evils situation. When a third party member tries to run for office they rarely put up a fight. This causes a situation where many citizens’ beliefs are not represented. In 2017 a poll by Gallup found that 42% of voters identified as independents but only 2 out of the 535 members of congress were Independents.  Again, this fails the basic concept of a representative democracy. I think there are many problems with our system but it is still vastly superior to a direct model of democracy.

A direct democracy in the United States is simply unpractical. There are over 330 million people in the United States. Every topic would have to be discussed by groups of people and then voting would take long amounts of time. It would also be next to impossible to propose laws. Direct democracy has no checks on itself. Presidents would be a popularity contest instead of an educated vote. The process of deciding things within the governmental system would take ages and would change frequently. Lastly, the public could simply not be trusted. People can be deceived and make rash decisions without thinking. This could potentially lead the United States into the ground.

Overall, I think the representative form of democracy has many flaws but it is still far superior to the direct form of democracy.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/115th_United_States_Congress

https://news.gallup.com/poll/225056/americans-identification-independents-back-2017.aspx

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-lost-popular-vote-hillary-clinton-us-election-president-history-a7470116.html

 

Representative Democracy: The Right Way

Representation has been a major topic of debate ever since the founding of formal democracy. Governments have strived to attain proper representation in order to protect the essential values of democracy. According to Josiah Ober of Stanford University “leading ancient and modern political theorists, both friends and critics of democracy, have proclaimed democracy’s core values to be liberty and equality” (Ober 1). Two major forms of democracy, direct and representative, have gone about protecting these values in very different ways. The Athenians established the direct democracy in which the people make decisions on policy directly. Whereas, America utilizes the representative democracy in which the people elect representatives who make decisions for a constituency.

After analyzing the effectiveness of both types of democracy I believe that the American model of representative democracy is a better way to govern. In a representative democracy, the people vote on representatives who are more educated on the topics being voted on and therefore are better equipped to make decisions. Since this position as a representative is their livelihood they have more time to research the policies and laws being proposed allowing them to make more informed decisions for their constituency. The presence of representatives allows for a more controlled and reasonable environment when laws are being voted on. There will be fewer people present in the assembly, therefore, making the process more efficient. In addition, checks and balances are established in a representative democracy in order to ensure that not one person or group becomes too powerful.  

Some may argue that a representative democracy has a lot of corruption that occurs within the voting process as representatives can be bribed and coerced into voting a way that may not align with their constituents. However, as made evident through the Reacting to the Past activity we performed in class, in which we recreated the direct democracy of Athens, there were many deals being made under the table in order for people to achieve their own secret agendas. Additionally, in order to achieve these agendas, people would interrupt other people’s arguments in attempts to strengthen their own argument and undermine the opposing argument. This caused the assembly to be very hectic and chaotic thus making it difficult to make decisions. It is evident from the Old Oligarch that another major flaw of a direct democracy is the focus on one’s own self-interest. People would only propose and vote on laws and policies that would benefit themselves. Whereas, in a representative democracy the representative focuses on what would be best for the majority of their voters. They want their votes to have a positive impact on the largest group possible.

Overall, I believe that the representative model of democracy is a better way to govern because it is more efficient. Representatives are focused on their voters as a whole rather than as individuals allowing for their actions to have an impact on a larger group of people. A representative democracy is more flexible which allows the government to adapt to the ever-changing opinions of society.   

 

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OBER, JOSIAH. “Democracy’s Dignity.” The American Political Science Review, vol. 106, no.

4, 2012, pp. 827–846. JSTOR, JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/23357711.

Old Oligarch, Xenophon

American Supremacy

The American model of a Representative Democracy is far superior to the Direct Democracy practiced by the ancient Athenians. This claim is of course made from the perspective of a person living in the representative democracy of the U.S. and may be biased.  The basis of my reasoning lies in the generally overlooked differences between the two. Our understanding of Democracy today leads us to believe that it is a just system that provides equality among the people of the society, however, in ancient Athens this was not the case. The challenges that I have against the Athenian Democracy are the lack of representation in voting, the lack of fully committed voters, the lack of a safeguard against a rising ruler, and the lack of Democracy throughout their empire.

Membership within the Athenian Democracy was limited to the property owning purebred Athenian men. Outside of this category people had no vote within the Assembly; those unrepresented included all women, slaves, and even Metics who owned land. This utter lack of representation in Athens makes me question if it even deserves to be referred to as democratic. The Representative Democracy of the U.S. (while certainly taking time to develop into what it is currently) provides equality and justice under the law to all of its citizens. All citizens have basic rights guaranteed to them, including the right to vote. This is significantly different from ancient Athens, and I believe to be far better.

Another difference is that in Athens voting was a collateral duty, not your primary job, so the men who could vote would have to abandon their jobs for extended periods of time to go to the acropolis to vote. This detracted from their ability to vote, to debate issues, and to do their primary jobs effectively. Conversely, elected officials in the U.S. create, debate, and vote on laws for the good of the nation and their constituency. Having politics be someone’s livelihood certainly does increase the possibility of corruption, but the benefit from having some individuals dedicate all of their time to political decisions is profound.

Our government thanks to its system of checks and balances prevents any one person from being able to gain too substantial of power from simply wooing the masses. However, in ancient Athens profound orators such as Pericles were able to essentially dictate what decisions were made by making compelling speeches to the people that gained their trust. This difference is significant because it keeps the control of the U.S. government in the hands of the people, whereas Pericles was able to convince the people to take advantage of the Delian League and form an empire over its members.

Most significantly, the Athenian “Democracy” was what governed an oppressive naval empire in the Aegean Sea. This empire and all of the riches that came flooding into Athens from it were all that allowed the Democracy to continue to function. An empire is one of the least representative forms of society, and thus one of the furthest from a Democracy. Thus, despite having an apparent Democracy, the Athenian empire was not the ideal form of government for those under their fist. However, in the U.S. the entire population is protected by our Representative Democracy, and (despite some claims) our nation is committed to promoting the good of the world, rather than oppressing others to spread our influence.

While I do have many criticisms of the ancient Athenian Democracy, I understand that we also have them to thank for originating the concept. Additionally, our Representative Democracy would most likely not function well in their society, but our approach is still superior.

Democracy for Democracy’s Sake

When I had my first government class in high school, I was shocked to find out that the general citizens’ votes don’t actually carry value in federal elections. Having grown up hearing all about how America’s Democracy is good because everyone has a voice, it was interesting to learn that the only votes which actually decide federal elections are exclusively made by representatives in Congress. At first I thought this seemed contradictory to the United States’ promise to give a voice to everyone, but now I realize that our Representative Democracy is a superior system to the Pure Democracy utilized in Ancient Athens.

However much we’d like to think that allowing the populace as a whole to make decisions is a reasonable way of governing, Ancient Athens is a great example of some of the problems with utilizing Pure Democracy. To begin, I’d like to borrow and amend an opinion of the old oligarch: “… he disapproves of the Athenian democracy because by its very nature it ensures that the common people are more powerful than the ‘respectable’citizens…” Although I don’t agree that common people can’t be an active and important part of politics, the old oligarch touches on an important point here. Realistically, not every member of the population has the ability to make educated and wise political decisions.

This was true during ancient times and in the modern day. The common example we used in class was how the Athenian Assembly decided to execute 8/10 generals in the middle of the Peloponnesian War. This was a terrible decision probably incited by an angry population reacting purely out of emotion. The benefit of a representative Democracy is that our representatives act as a check to make sure the U.S. doesn’t steer itself down a bad path.

Another benefit of a Represent Democracy is that common citizens aren’t forced to leave their jobs to attend the assembly and vote. In the Reacting to the Past activity, a major topic of debate was whether or not the assembly should be compensated for the work they lost by attending an assembly meeting. In the United States, this isn’t an issue because our politicians are paid to attend these votes while the rest of us can carry on with out lives. And although individual citizens don’t vote in Congress, the representatives voted into Congress should (theoretically) represent the opinions of the American people anyway.

By electing representatives to vote in our stead, it is true that we are relinquishing some of the power awarded to citizens in a Pure Democracy. But the benefits of using a representative system far outweigh the costs.

The Athenian Democracy: Why the American way is better

If we look back to the golden age of Athens and its democracy, we can see that there is a clear difference between the way they conducted their business and the way that we conduct ours today. A lot has changed in the roughly 2,500 years since Athens was at the height of its democracy. Humanity experienced countless wars and conflicts, technology advanced exponentially, and society, as well as the views and values of everyday people, has evolved into what we have today. This evolution of society is at the very foundation of the most significant difference between the American system of democracy and the Athenian system of democracy, equal representation of all classes and all types of people in government.

It’s no secret that Athens was ran by the wealthy upper class (Oligarchs) for most, if not all of its lifespan. But it was the working class and slaves of Greece that helped to literally build Athens with their bare hands. These people did not get their share of equal representation as they were essentially barred from participating in the Athenian assembly because of their social class or even because they were a woman. Members of the assembly were often against the idea of affording these kinds of people representation because they couldn’t stand to see power in the hands of the ‘uneducated’ and ‘uncivilized’ mob of the underclass (or women). Although there were later reforms in the democracy to include the voices of other members of society at the assembly’s, there was still a resentment to letting the general public take over the highest form of government in Athens.

Fast forward to 2018, our American democracy clearly has major differences in the department of representation. We live in a society that is built upon the premise that we are all equal and that values the opinions of others no matter who they are. Our constitution outlines that all members of American society regardless of race, gender, or social class are ensured equal representation and voting rights. Mind you, it did take America some time to get to this point in our democracy today. But we have reached a point to where unlike the Athenian democracy, we give an opportunity for every American to be heard and for every American to participate whether it be through casting a ballot, or meeting with their local congressman, in our great American democracy.

References-

http://www.stoa.org/projects/demos/article_democracy_overview?page=all